Two Ways of Seeing

Tropical vs Sidereal Astrology

One tied to the seasons, one to the stars, now about 24° apart.

The question

Why can the same birthday be Aries in one system and Pisces in another?

The short answer

Western astrology starts the zodiac at the March equinox; Vedic astrology starts it at fixed stars. Precession has pulled the two apart by about 24°, so most planets shift back one sign.

■ Tropical: 0° at the March equinox ■ Sidereal: 0° at the fixed stars ≈ 24° apart +1° every ~72 years
The two zodiacs as rings. The gap between their starting points, the ayanamsa, is about 24° today and grows about 1° every 72 years.

What science knows

Established Science

The tropical zodiac sets 0° Aries at the March equinox, so the signs follow the seasons. The sidereal zodiac anchors 0° Aries to the stars.

The difference is the ayanamsa. By the widely used Lahiri method it is about 24.2° in the 2020s, and it was close to zero around the 3rd century CE.

The pattern

Established Mathematics

Sidereal position = tropical position − ayanamsa. A sun at 15° Aries tropical sits near 21° Pisces sidereal today.

What is still uncertain

Mixed Evidence

Sidereal astrologers disagree on the exact ayanamsa: Lahiri, Raman, Krishnamurti and Fagan-Bradley differ by up to about 2°. There is no astronomical fact that settles which star should mark 0°.

Why humans find it interesting

Cultural Tradition

Western astrology mostly uses the tropical zodiac; Jyotish in India uses the sidereal. A Western sidereal school also developed in the 20th century.

CUE perspective

CUE Perspective

CUE uses the Western tropical signs, by calendar date. That is a choice of tradition, not a claim that it is the “real” zodiac.

Knowing both helps explain why astrology apps disagree, and why none of them contradicts the sky.

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Sources

  • Evans, The History and Practice of Ancient Astronomy (Oxford University Press, 1998)
  • Pingree, From Astral Omens to Astrology: From Babylon to Bīkāner (Istituto Italiano per l’Africa e l’Oriente, 1997)
  • Indian Calendar Reform Committee, Report (Government of India, 1955)

Written by CUE from the sources above. Some topics were suggested by Polymath; its claims are not reproduced.