Two Ways of Seeing

Pythagorean vs Chaldean Numerology

Two letter tables, two philosophies, neither as old as its name.

The question

Why do the two main numerology systems give different numbers for the same name?

The short answer

They use different letter tables. The Pythagorean table runs the alphabet through 1 to 9 in order; the Chaldean table groups letters by traditional sound values and never uses 9. Both are modern systems despite their ancient names.

Value Pythagorean Chaldean 1 A J S A I J Q Y 2 B K T B K R 3 C L U C G L S 4 D M V D M T 5 E N W E H N X 6 F O X U V W 7 G P Y O Z 8 H Q Z F P 9 I R —
The two common letter tables. Pythagorean runs A–Z in order through 1–9; Chaldean assigns 1–8 by traditional sound, leaving 9 out.

What science knows

Historical Fact

The Pythagorean system, the more common in the West, was popularised in early 20th-century numerology books. The “Chaldean” system was popularised by Cheiro in the 1920s.

The real Chaldeans, the astronomer-priests of Babylon, wrote in cuneiform, which is not an alphabet, so they could not have used letter values.

The pattern

Established Mathematics

The two tables side by side:

ValuePythagoreanChaldean
1A J SA I J Q Y
2B K TB K R
3C L UC G L S
4D M VD M T
5E N WE H N X
6F O XU V W
7G P YO Z
8H Q ZF P
9I R(not used)

What is still uncertain

Mixed Evidence

Practitioners disagree on details, such as whether to use a birth name or an everyday name, and whether to keep compound numbers before reducing. There is no scientific evidence that either table describes personality.

Why humans find it interesting

Cultural Tradition

Chaldean practitioners traditionally treat 9 as sacred and leave it unassigned, and read compound numbers (such as 23) before reducing them to a single digit.

CUE perspective

CUE Perspective

CUE works from birth dates, not names, so neither letter table drives a CUE reading.

Knowing where each system comes from lets you enjoy them for what they are: two modern ways of turning language into number.

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Sources

  • Cheiro (William John Warner), Cheiro’s Book of Numbers (1926)
  • Jordan, Numerology: The Romance in Your Name (1965)
  • Robson, Mathematics in Ancient Iraq (Princeton University Press, 2008)

Written by CUE from the sources above. Some topics were suggested by Polymath; its claims are not reproduced.